Sleeping giants: Nottingham Forest, Sunderland and other English clubs who should be better
Everyone loves a sleeping giant - unless you happen to support one, of course. English football is not in short supply of them either.
For football fans of a certain age, no matter who you support (unless it's Derby) there will probably be a little sadness seeing Nottingham Forest sack another manager and now take up residence at the bottom of the Championship.
Forest now begin the hunt for another manager to take the wheel, and there's no shortage of willing takers it seems, according to the lastest odds.
Nottingham Forest
There is, of course, a seemingly eternal debate about what exactly is a big club. Some cite history, some cite success, some say fanbase. The truth is it probably needs a dollop of them all.
However, the bit in between was a trophy-laden whirlwind of winning. They won the league title and the European Cup, twice. They even went 42 games unbeaten once. Which is frankly staggering for a club of its size.
Derby
As if we are going to fall into the trap of mentioning Nottingham Forest and then not make the same acknowledgement to Derby County.
Sheffield Wednesday
A few years later, they were the first of the Premier League clubs to financially implode and they have been trying to recover ever since, even though you'd not actually think it's possible. They are in League One now following relegation last season.
Sunderland
How Sunderland got themselves to such a low level is no secret. They spent ten years in the Premier League, recruited a little bit cheaply every year until the money eventually ran out and they could no longer stay up.
They fell so hard they plummeted straight through the Championship in one miserable season. Now they've been trying to get out of League Once for three years, twice failing in the play-offs. Wading through a mile of treacle probably seems like an easier challenge.
Historically, Sunderland are one of the most successful teams in the country. In fact, only six clubs have won more league titles than the Black Cats.
They have six to their credit, the same amount as Chelsea, although they are very firmly in the past now.
What makes Sunderland such a perpetually big club, however, is the fanbase.
Sunderland are currently averaging nearly 30,000 crowds this season - in League One. Three years ago, they attracted a home gate of 46,039 for a match against Bradford, which remains a record for England's third tier.
Blackburn Rovers
They also have a fine history that shouldn't be forgotten either.
Rovers won league titles in the 1910s and have claimed an impressive six FA Cups, admittedly with five of them coming in the 1800s.